RED vs Ash

Sometimes you just have to sit back and wonder… how did the Pokemon manga turn out so hardcore and the TV show turned out so mediocre and uneventful? I can tell you who’s fault it isn’t… Gary “Mother Fucking” Oak’s!
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Posted by Shawn Handyside on July 4, 2011 · 4:03 AM 
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256 Responses to “RED vs Ash”

  1. Frankenstrat247 on July 4th, 2011 4:08 am

    I actually checked out the manga…and was surprised by how much more intense it was than the show!

  2. Tobikun on July 4th, 2011 4:10 am

    Well hey I mean at least Ash saved Silph Co! No wait that was Red. Wasn't he the one who Narrated How I Met Your Mother? No wait that was Bob Saget……….Ash sucks balls.

  3. Fhantinabox on July 4th, 2011 3:11 am

    Red also stands on a mountain with a short sleeved jacket for years without getting hypothermia, snow blindness or frostbite!

    Now who's the motherfucking trainer?

  4. Tobikun on July 4th, 2011 4:11 am

    I was pleasantly surprised by the manga for Pokemon. It was actually quite good.

  5. Tobikun on July 4th, 2011 4:12 am

    I dunno let's ask him Hey Red who's the motherfucking trainer you or Ash? -waits for Red's response from atop his mountaintop home-

  6. Ozymil on July 4th, 2011 4:14 am

    I don't care who's better than who, I just want their secret to eternal youth.

  7. Macross2020 on July 4th, 2011 4:17 am

    You would think after fourteen years of not really accomplishing much, Ash would look back on his life, realize what a pathetic failure he was and overdose on Rare Candy, sparing us another season of the same crap rehashed…

  8. ZeikHunter on July 4th, 2011 4:27 am

    One important difference.

    Ash: The loudest pre-teen in all of Kanto.
    RED: Never says a word.

  9. StompyChar on July 4th, 2011 4:36 am

    Aint all the Manga's a million times better then the kiddy shows they squeeze from it?

  10. MoG on July 4th, 2011 4:54 am

    Ash, you should be ASHamed.

    …i'll go into the corner now

  11. Fhantinabox on July 4th, 2011 5:05 am

    +1 for you because you made me laugh bro

  12. Ataeru on July 4th, 2011 5:11 am

    Red's Pikachu: Has no problem winning
    Ash's Pikachu: often loses to low level pokemon

    After many years, and knowing Thunder, Iron Tail, and Volt Tackle, you would expect Ash to win more battles with Pikachu…

  13. LaN on July 4th, 2011 5:12 am

    actually it is gary "motherfucking" oak's fault, he doesn't exist in the manga >=/ ! only in the anime… that the reason that ash sucks SO BAD !

  14. Dimomarg on July 4th, 2011 5:23 am

    And Gary isn't the main character of the anime because?

  15. TheRustyBucket on July 4th, 2011 5:41 am

    Ash: Traveled numerous regions.
    Red: Stood on a mountain for four years.

    (P.S. Red's gonna have a hayday with this post.)
    (P.S.S. I now have a hat. Can I join the TF2 Halolz server?)

  16. Zyquux on July 4th, 2011 5:47 am


    Pokemon Special/Adventures is AWESOME. An Arbok gets CUT IN HALF.


  17. Rain on July 4th, 2011 6:00 am

    But Red calls his Pokemon into and out of battle.

  18. Rain on July 4th, 2011 6:02 am

    The viewers needs someone to relate to, because they can't compare to GARY MOTHERFUCKING OAK.

  19. Rain on July 4th, 2011 6:08 am

    The thing that makes me love the manga is that the Trainer is even more involved in the battle, not just shouting from the sidelines like in the anime.

  20. MoG on July 4th, 2011 6:17 am

    I don't think Ash has ever seen rare candy… and if i'm wrong, someone please prove me wrong, i would love to see how 4kids explains pokémon steroids.

  21. ZeikHunter on July 4th, 2011 6:26 am

    But, like most things involving RED, most battle text is written in the third person. Therefore, it can be implied that the person reciting the calling of Pokemon is a third party character (possibly omnipotent, maybe even an implied script for the players themselves) or RED thinking of himself as the star of his own adventure and providing his own narration.

    In other words, either RED has a superiority complex or battles are watched over by an announcer/Arceus/the player.

  22. MoG on July 4th, 2011 6:31 am

    We should be looking at the positives on Ash, for example:

    Ash stole a bike from a defenseless girl.
    Ash stole a charmander from a trainer.
    Ash cheated his way out of more than 4 of 8 of his kanto badges.
    Ash has also dressed up as a woman.

    It takes strength to do things right, but it takes balls to do it the way Ash does.

  23. Acias on July 4th, 2011 6:37 am

    Thought the same, after all his journeys and epic fights he had, he still uses low level pokemons and pikachu can't do shit.

  24. Kristoph Gavin on July 4th, 2011 6:37 am

    Oh noes! Team Rocket have invented another terrible machine to kidnap people's Pokemon! Quick! PIKACHU USE THUNDERSHOCK

    *destroys an entire Magikarp themed tank*


    Sorry for spoiling every episode of Pokemon for you.

  25. Kristoph Gavin on July 4th, 2011 6:38 am

    The only man who could compare to GARY MOTHERFUCKING OAK is Professor Oak himself.

  26. Kristoph Gavin on July 4th, 2011 6:39 am



    Edit: Yes, Zyquux, I too use Caps Lock far too much.

  27. Kristoph Gavin on July 4th, 2011 6:40 am

    Nah, he wins everything.


    *defeats a Sandile*

    Other Trainer: WTF

  28. Kristoph Gavin on July 4th, 2011 6:41 am

    Ash is a capable trainer, actually. But because GARY MOTHERFUCKING OAK is in the anime, Ash now sucks.

  29. Kristoph Gavin on July 4th, 2011 6:41 am

    OBJECTION! Ash has destroyed thousands of malfunctioning crappy Team Rocket robots! With a yellow electric mouse 2 feet tall!

  30. Kristoph Gavin on July 4th, 2011 6:45 am

    Red's better. It takes skill to stand on mountains. Walking around thousands of miles is easy!

  31. Zyquux on July 4th, 2011 6:49 am

    DARN IT! I was looking forward to that episode! Why'd you spoil it?! T~T

  32. Zyquux on July 4th, 2011 6:51 am

    Red even gets tortured in AN ELECTRIC CAGE MADE BY MAGNETON.

  33. smartmonkey on July 4th, 2011 7:18 am

    They would explain it the same way they explain pet abuse and violence. By making it cartoony.

  34. Mentlegen on July 4th, 2011 8:04 am

    Much like Gordon Freeman giving orders to the resistance members who follow him, all Red orders are made by simply staring at his pokémons.

  35. Link4all on July 4th, 2011 8:13 am

    Ash is still 10 according to the newest Pokemon season ಠ_ಠ

  36. _XD on July 4th, 2011 9:01 am

    *Ash stole multiple bikes from multiple girls.

  37. Redzeroine on July 4th, 2011 9:01 am

    I agree, he should REDo his entire Pokemon career. . .

    Is there room for two in that corner?

  38. _XD on July 4th, 2011 9:09 am

    I dunno man, Ash has got plot armour.
    I mean, the pokemon fainted? Battle doesn't end, I'll just catch it with my pokeball.
    Pokemon about to get attacked? Tell them to dodge them.
    Fire/Water not good enough against the enemy? Get them all to attack at the same time.

  39. Seanhl on July 4th, 2011 9:32 am

    they do what he says or he blankly stares them into oblivion

  40. Seanhl on July 4th, 2011 9:34 am

    gets his pikachu to slide under a piloswine, suddenly it's weak to electricity, THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE

  41. Seanhl on July 4th, 2011 9:35 am

    and that is because he knows exactly when you win and comes as fast as he can

  42. greenxboy on July 4th, 2011 9:37 am

    He didnt stole them, he destroyed them

  43. Leo E. on July 4th, 2011 9:39 am

    Wait… Crystal was the Pokemon Master, not Red.

  44. Seanhl on July 4th, 2011 9:42 am

    my favorite had to of been the one in the hoenn region where he gave his swellow and pikachu ELECTRIC ARMOR by firing a thunderbolt straight up into the air, I was twelve, never had played a pokemon game, and I had even dismissed the ones where pikachu fired a thunderbolt straight up to hit itself to recharge itself, and I still went WTF!!

  45. greenxboy on July 4th, 2011 9:44 am

    Half of the kanto's gym leader are in team rocket and they try to kill red.

  46. CriticalQuit on July 4th, 2011 9:46 am

    The best part about Red? He got to the top and he stopped and stayed there. Allowing other people to win in their own home regions.

    Ash has to be mediocre EVERYWHERE. Because of him, Gold (Jimmy) was sent to a spinoff show, and Brendan and Lucas were banished to movie intros.

  47. CriticalQuit on July 4th, 2011 9:47 am

    I still really want to find and read the manga as I have a couple of the firstgen mangas and they are REALLY good.

    Also I want to see a character that ISN'T based on Red.

  48. CriticalQuit on July 4th, 2011 9:48 am

    Haven't there been more than 365 episodes by now? And don't they all take place over the course of at LEAST one day?

    They're just shitting us now.

  49. CriticalQuit on July 4th, 2011 9:50 am

    Ask Red, Ash's secret is most likely "go through character development and then become stupid again so you can go through more development."

    Honestly, how many times has that boy forgotten every life lesson he's learned?

  50. razorman715 on July 4th, 2011 9:50 am

    The power of animated logic!

  51. CriticalQuit on July 4th, 2011 9:51 am

    His answer is to have the highest level team of any trainer in game history, beyond that of latter-day Champions. Even Alder only got to the upper 70s.

  52. CriticalQuit on July 4th, 2011 9:53 am

    Of the few I have, I know that Red's Pikachu causes Brock's Onix to explode using an electric attack.

    Onix is Ground type!

  53. Ryven on July 4th, 2011 9:53 am

    I think the series should have been made about red.

  54. CriticalQuit on July 4th, 2011 9:53 am

    Remember that time his Pikachu kicked a Cubone's skull helmet around backwards?

    Wouldn't that have broken it's snout off? poor thing…

  55. Ryven on July 4th, 2011 9:54 am


  56. Alpar on July 4th, 2011 9:55 am

    Did she really do anything after the GSC arc?

    Like catching all the other Pokemon?

  57. CriticalQuit on July 4th, 2011 9:56 am

    OBJECTION! All of those were the same robot run by the same pair of morons. And Pikachu is only 1 foot and 4 inches tall!

  58. Ryven on July 4th, 2011 9:57 am

    "you have failed me for the last time, mudkip!"

  59. Alpar on July 4th, 2011 9:57 am

    Sorry Red, I like you more, but the one advantage Ash has is that he's traveled with more girls than you.

    …then again, 3/4 of those girls are younger than him… I'd considerably worry about this.

  60. CriticalQuit on July 4th, 2011 10:02 am

    I got tired of it around the turn of the second generation. I actually didn't take part in second gen, but I got back in during third gen. But couldn't get back into the show.

    No one can blame me.

  61. Caelun_Niveus on July 4th, 2011 10:20 am

    HOLD IT!

    Red does possess the ability to speak! He knows the words "Yes" and "No"

  62. Caelun_Niveus on July 4th, 2011 10:21 am

    Minor win got Ash though:

    His Pikachu can kill ground types with electric attacks… somehow…

  63. Caelun_Niveus on July 4th, 2011 10:23 am

    Despite Shawn's comment, I think that this is only referring to the game's version of Red. As the first player character, he was the first who could have become a PkMn Master.

  64. ProfessorLuigi on July 4th, 2011 10:33 am

    This reminds me, for the last pokemon game, I don't want an elite four, I want a battle with every trainer from the last games.
    Either that, or have missingno as the legendary pokemon.

  65. ProfessorLuigi on July 4th, 2011 10:34 am

    He still can't tell if you are a boy or a girl though.

  66. chetoos8 on July 4th, 2011 10:37 am

    *Bunny Hammer*
    Also, if memory serves, the only girl who's bike he destroyed was Misty's. The rest of them were just "Coincidences"

  67. TheQueenofSouls(DT) on July 4th, 2011 10:57 am

    Don't be so BLUE… you're not the only one who's coming up with this stuff

    Now move over.

  68. TheQueenofSouls(DT) on July 4th, 2011 11:00 am

    Herd of Tauros = Most successful trip to the safari zone ever.

  69. Caelun_Niveus on July 4th, 2011 11:00 am

    Yet Red has accomplished three times as much without such armour. That only proves he is twice as badass because of it.

  70. meinmattias on July 4th, 2011 11:06 am

    Red can stay on task. Ash? It takes a whole season to find a single gym.

  71. Uzumakiclan43 on July 4th, 2011 11:16 am

    Red keeps every Pokemon that fully evolves. Ash, on the other hand, ditches them at Professor Oak's/Juniper's lab at the end of every season when they reach their max evolutionary potential.

  72. Caelun_Niveus on July 4th, 2011 11:19 am

    The primary reason everyone (except Dawn) followed him was because he wrecked their bike. He never intended to, but it happened.

    Granted, Dawn;s bike was destroyed too, but she doesn't hold Ash responsible, probably because she actually saw it happen and could fully understand it was noone's fault.

    Thus, you are both correct.

  73. TopRattata on July 4th, 2011 11:29 am

    I'm just GREEN with envy. Maybe there's a SILVER of hope that some day I'll ru-BY as good as you guys at making puns. I've RED so many good puns. WHITE now I'm sitting at MY PC trying to come up with something… Maybe I should take a break and come BLACK to it later…

  74. razorman715 on July 4th, 2011 11:40 am

    Oh pokemon snap!

  75. Zabrio on July 4th, 2011 11:44 am

    Here's another

    Red has saved the world
    Ash only saves the world in non-canon probably just dreaming about it movies

  76. Walweegee on July 4th, 2011 11:53 am

    If Gary MOTHERFUCKING Oak went back to being a total douche bag and went to Unova, Ash would never reach Nimbasa city

  77. Saxostev on July 4th, 2011 11:53 am

    In Ash's defense, Charmander's former trainer was kind of a douche.

  78. GraveZombie on July 4th, 2011 11:59 am

    It's the pokemon counterpart of the Referee in Medabots. Much like the various nurses and policewomen, the referee brothers are all identical, and have the same job. But while Medabot referee is a master of disguise, the pokemon referee is a master of stealth, hiding where no one can see him, and commenting on the battle.

    It confuses the hell out of trainers when they hear that misterious voice float across the battlefield.
    "METAPOD used HARDEN."

  79. Fungo4 on July 4th, 2011 12:01 pm

    I dunno, man. BLUE was pretty motherfuckin last I saw. Has Gary ever sliced an Arbok in half?

  80. Fungo4 on July 4th, 2011 12:03 pm

    No way, he's only 10… still. Well, that's what he tells everyone.

  81. HughbertEsq on July 4th, 2011 12:09 pm

    Ash: Constantly haggles alongside various men and women who would fail to pass a base CRB check or Benefits Claim

  82. Vatonnage on July 4th, 2011 12:14 pm

    In the manga, Red tamed the whole Safari Zone in one night.

  83. EonofAeon on July 4th, 2011 12:14 pm

    He's not Douche. Douche is Oak's grandson!…..
    I'll join them over there in the corner….

  84. SpartanJedi on July 4th, 2011 12:36 pm


  85. Paulrus-Keaton? on July 4th, 2011 12:53 pm

    Ink, paint, and people who keep buying Pokemon.

  86. RetroEagleZero on July 4th, 2011 1:11 pm

    They never speculate how old Red is. For all we know he isn't 10. (The whole age thing came from the TV show). Also, perhaps the best thing ever, Ronnie James Dio has a song called "The Man On The Silver Mountain". Hmmm…Who is the ONLY person who's ever been on a SILVER MOUNTAIN?!

  87. Link4all on July 4th, 2011 1:17 pm

    Don't worry. It was only the 660th episode when they said it.

    Almost two years, pfft.

  88. dekuskrub1 on July 4th, 2011 1:17 pm

    Red "…"
    Mudkip "NOOOOOooooo…"

  89. RespectfulGlove on July 4th, 2011 1:51 pm

    I've always wondered. Where does Ethan come into this?

    I mean, Red became a Kanto master, took down Team Rocket, and took place as Champion
    But Ethan caught all the Pokemon of BOTH Kanto and Johto, took down Team Rocket when it had an organized system of admins, became Champion to a team of mother fucking Dragonite, and to top it all off, BEAT Red.

    Given, this was within… What, a month? Compared to Red's years of training?

  90. Arch_Evil_Angel on July 4th, 2011 1:55 pm

    Dat Ash…

  91. vash_ts on July 4th, 2011 2:00 pm

    dont worry, no one spoiled you when they use a meouth themed air ballon…

  92. ChemicalKirby on July 4th, 2011 2:01 pm

    you forgot "Loves mountains"

  93. vash_ts on July 4th, 2011 2:01 pm

    but can tell when you use your bike or fishing rod…

  94. vash_ts on July 4th, 2011 2:03 pm

    in the manga he got frozen alive by the elite four, who by the way, they are evil…
    but survived and kicked their elite asses

  95. vash_ts on July 4th, 2011 2:05 pm

    OBJECTION! all Ash did was scream again and again "pikachu dont give up!" and "use thunder bolt, Now!!"

  96. vash_ts on July 4th, 2011 2:06 pm

    and the only human being that feels atracted to girls in the pokemon anime world, is brock… and he is pathetic

  97. vash_ts on July 4th, 2011 2:08 pm

    everyone that saw missigno, the legendary pokemon, disapeared leaving nothing behind…

  98. Vabolo on July 4th, 2011 2:32 pm

    He sacrificed (or "released", if you want to be politically correct) his Pokémon to this guy:

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  99. Vabolo on July 4th, 2011 2:36 pm

    She described it as "extra-crispy", however.

  100. Vabolo on July 4th, 2011 2:37 pm

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  101. OrionX on July 4th, 2011 2:38 pm

    Trainer stole my bike.

  102. amekuudere on July 4th, 2011 2:40 pm

    Red ages.
    He started out being 10 or 11 in the RBG arc; now he's … 19 I think.

  103. Vabolo on July 4th, 2011 2:43 pm

    How about Blue, Green and Yellow? Or all the characters from the other generations?

  104. amekuudere on July 4th, 2011 2:43 pm


    …well they get revived, but still! They died!

  105. Vabolo on July 4th, 2011 2:44 pm


  106. Sid_Diddly on July 4th, 2011 2:44 pm

    I hear Red is the only person capable of taming a wild Chuck Norris. Of course it is only because they mutually respect and loathe one another and know that without Red's masterful control and Chuck's purposes-filled power the world as it is cannot exist free of Zombies.

  107. Gregjr794 on July 4th, 2011 2:48 pm

    You guys must be RED in the face.


    Now make some room. I brought popcorn.

  108. Vabolo on July 4th, 2011 2:49 pm

    Plus, when they mean serious business, Red and Ash put their cap backwards. Ethan keeps it backwards ALL THE FUCKING TIME.

  109. HughbertEsq on July 4th, 2011 2:52 pm

    Ash: "You have failed me for the last time, Mudkip!"
    Mudkip: *gun draw* Not today

  110. CriticalQuit on July 4th, 2011 2:52 pm

    Main protagonist, I mean. But that's what I mean. The characters from the other generations. I only own 2 firstgen books from the manga.

  111. Artakha on July 4th, 2011 3:23 pm

    It's like the DIAMOND standard, being as pretty as a PEARL. You always have to be CRYSTAL clear when it comes to being RED with anger, or YELLOW with sickness.

    I suck at puns. XD

  112. Artakha on July 4th, 2011 3:26 pm

    Remember trainer Green? In Japan, Red had to go through that asshole before he could fight the Elite Four and climb the mountain to be the world's master trainer.

    In Japan, Gary "MF" Oak was trainer Green, not Blue.

  113. Artakha on July 4th, 2011 3:28 pm

    Oh, Douche over there? I beat him with Butts the Pidgey and Penis the Metapod.


  114. Artakha on July 4th, 2011 3:35 pm

    Well, the only thing that Pikachu feels is worth shocking is Jesse and James.
    Pokemon TV show. Watch it more.
    *Throws TV at Ataeru*

  115. Artakha on July 4th, 2011 3:36 pm

    He gets awfully pissy when it comes to bikes.

  116. Artakha on July 4th, 2011 3:42 pm


    (P.S. They're hatless now!)

  117. pokenutter on July 4th, 2011 3:55 pm

    And not to mention takes every opportunity (mostly in the early episodes) to cram his methods of training down others' throats. See episode 8, in particular.

  118. Seanhl on July 4th, 2011 5:17 pm

    don't even make me talk about the "rocket punch" thing

  119. VyseRogueKing on July 4th, 2011 5:24 pm

    For all we know that can be a nod or shake of the head though.

  120. VyseRogueKing on July 4th, 2011 5:30 pm

    What? But isn't there like one episode that has his birthday and I'm one hundred percent certain that he once referred to the fact that he's been dealing with team rocket for years.

    Someone's really been abusing Dialga's powers because time is really messed up there.

  121. SpartanJedi on July 4th, 2011 5:39 pm

    Holy Magikarp, this post put me to 69 E-peen!

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    You guys are awesome!

  122. MoG on July 4th, 2011 5:43 pm

    Don't worry, they were LOPUNNY, although others have left me WEEZING. As long as these puns don't get PURUGLY, i'll be fine.

  123. PortalMan118 on July 4th, 2011 6:08 pm


  124. HughbertEsq on July 4th, 2011 6:12 pm

    You'd have thought RED would've been all over this post… and yet no sign from him…

  125. NightWight on July 4th, 2011 6:26 pm

    You have to get Red to say anything at all first though. He's the quiet type.

    Which should also be added to the list actually. And that Ash's like a parrot.

  126. primedawg9170 on July 4th, 2011 6:40 pm

    I think you should also add that Ash is, for some reason, a pimp towards female humans and pokemons.

  127. primedawg9170 on July 4th, 2011 6:47 pm

    And this is all based on a children's monster game that is from Nintendo?

    You know, for kids!

  128. Vabolo on July 4th, 2011 7:10 pm

    "Dodge it!", the most broken move in the anime.

  129. Vabolo on July 4th, 2011 7:25 pm

    Perhaps in the way of romance, but don't forget that Brock not only provides more than adequate meals to the protagonist and maintains his composure and rational thought in the most dire situations (except when in the presence of members of the opposite sex who are not Misty), he also managed to properly raise and educate his nine younger siblings in the absence of their parents.

    Saying that Brock is pathetic out of the context of courtship is not true to the character.

  130. vash_ts on July 4th, 2011 7:38 pm

    that is why I said it in the context of courtship… unless…

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  131. TheSpaceCore on July 4th, 2011 7:39 pm

    Ash had encountered almost every single legendary pokemon in existance and has never so much as thrown a single pokeball. He met ARCEUS for crying outloud. Lucario thought he was his former master. He rode lugia, saw ho-oh in the first damn episode, ect. ect.

    and YET he's still a complete idiot.

    Also, space.

  132. Henry_Wong on July 4th, 2011 7:49 pm

    You forget that Red is accompanied with a personal soundtrack throughout his journey rel="nofollow">
    related, how having a soundtrack while riding a bike is awesome

  133. primedawg9170 on July 4th, 2011 8:09 pm

    Yeah especially to a FREAKING SNIVY THAT BELONGED TO A NEWBIE IN THE NEW SEASON!!! I understand that Pikcahu had something happened to him, but doesn't he know any other moves that is not electric based?

  134. MorningMoon on July 4th, 2011 8:45 pm

    And then healed himself by Skinny Dipping on Mt. Silver with Sabrina.

  135. brawlfan1 on July 4th, 2011 8:49 pm

    HOLD IT! (Again)

    The "Copycat" girl! If you visit her in a game in which Red appears, she'll be copying exactly what Red says, supposedly, thus, Red has to talk

  136. Jimmy on July 4th, 2011 8:53 pm

    Alcohol. XD Lots and lots of alcohol. None of that cheap stuff either. Oh, and you have to drink your beverages on top of a mountain.

  137. C__F on July 4th, 2011 8:53 pm

    Is it ever less than relevant?

  138. Zabrio on July 4th, 2011 8:55 pm

    Yellow and Green disagree with you, alongside technically Sapphire during the Emerald arc.

  139. TsavoLion on July 4th, 2011 9:11 pm

    meanwhile… in the anime… rel="nofollow">

  140. Kam_Fakami on July 4th, 2011 9:15 pm

    In addition, in FireRed/LeafGreen, Green/Blue calls Red a chaty Kathy.

  141. Hatmor on July 4th, 2011 9:18 pm

    Ash also travels all over the world with a Gym Leader and meeting women
    Red stands on a mountain
    Who do you think gets more action?

  142. General_Asshat on July 4th, 2011 9:20 pm

    Swedish Magic.

    Also onions.

  143. Kn0w1d3a on July 4th, 2011 9:21 pm

    In the scheme of things, if somebody destroyed your bike, would you really waste a year of your life following him around, getting chased by terrorists, listening to him whine, never fulfilling your real dream UNTIL YOU LEAVE HIM, and not end up being given a new bike; when there is a guy that gives you bike vouchers for FREE.

  144. Kn0w1d3a on July 4th, 2011 9:24 pm

    In the anime they just switched the Red and Blue character traits.
    Red (Manga)=MOTHER****ER!!!!
    Blue (Manga)=eh
    Red (Anime)=eh
    Blue (Anime)=MOTHER****ER!!!!!

  145. Kn0w1d3a on July 4th, 2011 9:26 pm

    Ash thew a Master Ball at Chuck Norris, it refused to open.

  146. Kn0w1d3a on July 4th, 2011 9:28 pm

    Well, if you use the glitch, Red did all of that in 2 hours O.O

  147. Kn0w1d3a on July 4th, 2011 9:32 pm

    Wait….Ash was 10 in 1997….he's 24 now…and only hangs out with 10 year old girls….OFFICER JENNY!

  148. Kn0w1d3a on July 4th, 2011 9:34 pm

    When Red loses he gets slipped a roofie

    When Ash loses he whines for days

    ….Advantage Ash…barely

  149. Alpar on July 4th, 2011 10:11 pm

    Manga Red: Nope. His Pikachu made an Onix explode from a Thundershock he didn't have to spend a night charging.

    Game Red: You're correct there.

  150. Alpar on July 4th, 2011 10:13 pm

    Because forcing your Ryhorn (or however you spell it) to evolve into a Rhydon with the use of drugs is totally age appropriate. So long as it's disguised with the title of "Team Rocket" or some other evil organization, it's TOTALLY cool!

  151. Alpar on July 4th, 2011 10:16 pm

    After the Red, Blue/Green arc, you get a handful of "main protagonists". There's no exact one main character.

  152. VyseRogueKing on July 4th, 2011 10:25 pm

    Ah but they could be saying that sarcastically. As for the copycat girl. I got nuthin'

  153. Ragnellrok on July 4th, 2011 10:32 pm

    Red is really Gary "motherfucking" Oak bitches!

  154. Ataeru on July 4th, 2011 10:52 pm

    oh hey my TV is back.

    Anyway pikachu always did that, in every season, almost every single episode. It's nothing new.

    If you want to question my knowledge about the TV show, I can spoil what will happen in a few episodes from now about Team Rocket if you want.

  155. Kam_Fakami on July 4th, 2011 10:56 pm

    Now that's a lot of balls.

  156. Caelun_Niveus on July 4th, 2011 11:28 pm

    Mind reader?

  157. CriticalQuit on July 4th, 2011 11:34 pm

    True, they only SLIGHTLY favored Red, but Blue and Green were just as essential.

  158. Ovahdrive on July 4th, 2011 11:39 pm

    Red. rel="nofollow">Haven't you ever seen 300? There be naked chicks at the top of mountains.

    Also, that "Gym Leader" you speak of has a bit of a knack for repelling women, if anything.

  159. Caelun_Niveus on July 4th, 2011 11:41 pm

    Red does not control Chuck Norris. However, he is the only person from whom Chuck Norris will take suggestions from.

  160. Arch_Evil_Angel on July 4th, 2011 11:55 pm

    -5? Really? I don't think this post needs to be downvoted that harshly…

  161. Dash12345678 on July 4th, 2011 11:55 pm

    ……Heck yes. I can see it now. Somebody definitely needs to make it happen.

    Do we have anybody in the Halolz community named Somebody available to create and animate sprites of Ash riding a Bike, and Misty chasing him?

  162. penguindude42 on July 5th, 2011 12:20 am

    Correction: It took Green 3 years to get Red to help her save Blue from the then-evil
    grasp of Missingno.

    And then Silver was a time-warping omnicidal evil overlord who got killed by two teenagers with '80s hair and their monochromatic bird-dragon things.
    Also, Subject N is Wally.

    Wow, I have so much Epileptic Trees.

  163. Kam_Fakami on July 5th, 2011 12:29 am

    Since when has Green/Blue ever been wrong? Well, save for the being better than Red, but other than that, he's honest.

  164. penguindude42 on July 5th, 2011 12:31 am


    LORD SILVER: Now go forth, my minions, and make the dream of our god
    a reality! MUAHAHAHAHA!!!

  165. penguindude42 on July 5th, 2011 12:43 am

    Gold was the kid from Johto who helped Red & Green save Blue from Missingno.

    Ethan was that French kid Dawn hangs out with.

  166. Zyquux on July 5th, 2011 12:53 am

    I can't be the only one that heard "I AM MR. REFEREE AND I WILL BE YOUR REFEREE!" when they read "Referee in Medabots".

    I am?


  167. penguindude42 on July 5th, 2011 12:53 am

    Red, because he has a beautiful wife* and a son** who recently saved the world not only from a bunch of defective androids but also two time-warped omnicidal madmen
    who fused with a god and the icons of yin & yang respectively***.

    (*Green Oak)
    (**Black Oak)
    (***Silver with Missingno, N/Wally with Reshiram & Zekrom)

  168. Zyquux on July 5th, 2011 1:03 am

    Iron Tail. It somehow learned Iron Tail by itself.

  169. Zyquux on July 5th, 2011 1:09 am

    He uses his Lapras and the hail atop Mt. Silver to keep his drinks cold.

  170. Zyquux on July 5th, 2011 1:12 am

    And then got turned to stone.

  171. penguindude42 on July 5th, 2011 1:16 am

    Her name is Kris, not Crystal.

    Crystal is a synonym for gem. Kris is a Johto League trainer.

    Know the differance.

  172. ThePinkSpartan on July 5th, 2011 1:23 am

    I blame massive head trauma. Either that or side-effects of all the date-rape drugs Brock's been using on him.

  173. ThePinkSpartan on July 5th, 2011 1:26 am

    Also added to the list is the relationship with support characters. All of ash's sidekicks became great when he left. All of red's sidekicks became great -because he helped-.

  174. Zyquux on July 5th, 2011 1:28 am


    Leo is referring to the manga character Crystal, also known as the Capturer, as evidenced by the fact that she has caught all of the non-Legendary Pokemon. Also, it is generally accepted that a "Pokemon Master" is a Trainer that catches all of the Pokemon ("Gotta catch 'em all!") whereas the "Champion" is the Trainer that beats the Elite Four.


  175. Sceptilianblade on July 5th, 2011 2:00 am


  176. BoxeyBrown on July 5th, 2011 2:17 am

    Red traveled alone, not weighing himself down with something as meaningless as friendship.

  177. TheGrim on July 5th, 2011 4:43 am

    By the way, I hope people are aware that Ash was and still is voiced by a women…

  178. SonicsmyName on July 5th, 2011 9:05 am

    You'd have to go to Ash for that, Red actually ages as the manga goes on. At HeartGold/SoulSilver he should be around 20 actually.

  179. SonicsmyName on July 5th, 2011 9:09 am

    Red doesn't have a superiority complex.
    It's not a complex if he's right :U

  180. SonicsmyName on July 5th, 2011 9:16 am

    And this is ALL just in the FIRST "SEASON"!

  181. SonicsmyName on July 5th, 2011 9:19 am

    I've got the entirety of the manga up to the beginning of Platinum on my computer. The only problem is that it's translated by several different factions, so names are slightly wonky at times (Not that it detracts) and the ending of Emerald has a HORRIBLE translation. Other than that, it's peachy-keen though. If anyone's interested, and know of a place where I can upload it for free, then I'm all for it :)

  182. SonicsmyName on July 5th, 2011 9:22 am

    Wait, you meant that as being negative for Red?

    I thought you came with another thing Red does better than Ash.

  183. Redtroopa on July 5th, 2011 10:11 am

    Red: Captured Mewtwo, the most powerful pokemon
    Ash: Turned to stone by Mewtwo

  184. SirHerpdiDerp on July 5th, 2011 10:30 am

    Red in the manga has Misty, Erika and Yellow trying to go out with him. What does he do? Goes to Mt. Silver to train some more.

    He also takes a pummelling from Lt. Surge and the Elite 4: Lt. Surge throws him off the SS Anne and leaves him for dead in the sea. Next time they meet, he tries to electrocute Red with a fucking Zapdos.

    And the Elite 4? Bruno has his Hitmonlee kick Red off the summit of Mt. Moon. And then Loreli freezes him.

    Other reasons why the manga kicks the anime’s ass-

  185. MorningMoon on July 5th, 2011 12:09 pm

    Well, he already had rock hard abs anyway…

  186. Shady Kitsune on July 5th, 2011 2:11 pm

    So he does Parrot Exposition?
    Nope, not gonna link you to TV Tropes.

    … Because I don't know how to make embedded URLs on comments here.
    *-50 nerd cred*

  187. Shady Kitsune on July 5th, 2011 2:15 pm

    After all, he is, the very best. Like no one ever was.

  188. Shady Kitsune on July 5th, 2011 2:27 pm

    So Ash has ADD, like Link.
    Now only if he was mute, he'd be cooler.

  189. Shady Kitsune on July 5th, 2011 2:32 pm

    The two of them are also fluent in communicating through staring.

  190. Shady Kitsune on July 5th, 2011 2:33 pm

    Space. That's what's for rent in his head alright! =D

  191. Shady Kitsune on July 5th, 2011 2:36 pm

    Unbeknowns to us all and even Ash, that Pikachu has done some serious EV training and Rare Candy tripping, but often fiegns weakness to keep the officials not suspecting it.
    Also, it's Lv9001.

  192. SonicsmyName on July 5th, 2011 5:47 pm

    To catch them might be Kris' true test, but to train them is… Wait, that's Green's cause…
    Oh wait, battling is Red's deal. :D

  193. Lord_Science on July 5th, 2011 6:23 pm

    Ash is a bit of a bitch.

  194. Vabolo on July 5th, 2011 6:32 pm

    Spelling Hammer: Normal-type move, 95 base power, 15 PP.

    GRAMMAR HAMMER: ???-type move, 200 base power, 69 PP.

  195. vash_ts on July 5th, 2011 7:35 pm

    sorry, i got the spanish version, so I heard

    Entonces yo, el señor referi, actuare como referi…
    Declaro esta una robobatalla de sumision!

  196. vash_ts on July 5th, 2011 7:36 pm


  197. vash_ts on July 5th, 2011 7:41 pm

    not me…
    I played soul silver, and won the elite four, that by the way are five, counting the champion…
    everything with lvl 55-60 pokemons

    what do I find?
    that bastard had all between 80-85…
    do i have to train 20 levels each of my pokemon in the tall grass?
    …no, I dont have to… *downloads next pokemon game*

  198. SenorTaco77 on July 5th, 2011 7:49 pm

    Omniscience, how does it work?

  199. Vortilex on July 5th, 2011 8:09 pm

    But then Gold comes along, stomps the attempt to revive Team Rocket out, and catches ALL the Pokemon before going on to not only become Pokemon League Champion for Johto, but Kanto as well. Then he himself defeats Red and becomes the greatest Pokemon master ever.

  200. MAJR_PWNR on July 5th, 2011 10:41 pm

    I prefer the Electric Tale of Pikachu. There, Misty had double-D's, and we got to see her naked!…

    …. TWICE!

  201. IcyNudibranch on July 6th, 2011 12:26 am

    Manga Team Rocket: Takes over cities, creates DNA monsters, injects Pokémon tumors with experimental RNA molecules to make them extremely strong
    Anime Team Rocket: "Hey, there's a Pokémon-of-the-episode over there! Let's go get it, even though we utterly fail at every single thing!"

    Seriously, I stopped watching that shit because of Team Rocket. Though apparently they get their act together in Unova.

  202. Skandradron on July 6th, 2011 3:21 am

    Oh no, you are not alone, although I had thought that I had escaped that show's clutches…Freaking Medabee.

  203. Shady Kitsune on July 6th, 2011 3:56 am

    *train runs over vash_ts*

  204. Shady Kitsune on July 6th, 2011 4:00 am

    Wow, how did I make this many typos? I must have been sleepy or suffering from caffeine underdose.

  205. vash_ts on July 6th, 2011 12:55 pm

    When red loses, he passes out and wakes up in the pokemon center, with less money than before…

  206. vash_ts on July 6th, 2011 12:59 pm

    manga elite four: pokemon extremists, lance wants to destroy humanity…
    manga gym leaders: one of them was selling stloen pokemon, blasted ash with thunderbolts and dropped him in the sea…

    Anime elite four and gym leaders: Good guys… powerful… did I missed something?

  207. Xyxoz on July 6th, 2011 3:24 pm

    He is the most interesting Trainer in the world.

  208. Xyxoz on July 6th, 2011 3:25 pm

    I have the urge to right a rap now.

  209. Xyxoz on July 6th, 2011 3:26 pm

    Tap dancer. You were close though.

  210. Quetzalcoatl on July 6th, 2011 4:06 pm

    This is EXACTLY WHY I don't really watch the anime…

  211. Omnomynous on July 6th, 2011 4:44 pm

    Positive things about Ash:

    Helped save the world countless times from Legendaries.
    Died twice .
    Has 70+ pokemon at his disposal (30 Tauros?!)
    Befriended many legends including GOD(Arceus)
    Red beat team rocket. Ash beat Team Magma, Aqua, and Galactic.

    All I know about red is that he sat on a mountain and that despite these things, is cooler than Ash. I ask of you: HOW

  212. Omnomynous on July 6th, 2011 4:54 pm

    just saying, Red and some others were also truned to stone as a result from a mewtwo deoxys clash or something like that. idk, I just got into the manga.

  213. nighten2_0 on July 6th, 2011 6:15 pm

    not any more you ain't! *-1 epeened*

  214. nighten2_0 on July 6th, 2011 6:17 pm

    he alredy did… and met him again… and his doucheiness. * Thats a word right?*

  215. nighten2_0 on July 6th, 2011 6:19 pm

    … this just got me wondering… WHERE THE HELL IS RED NOW?!?! HE WOULD OF POSTED SOMETHING BY NOW!!!!!

  216. SpartanJedi on July 6th, 2011 7:12 pm

    O rly?

  217. Passerby Boy on July 6th, 2011 8:59 pm

    you forgot about being encased in solid ice/stone

  218. Artakha on July 7th, 2011 12:24 am

    Exactly, old chap.

  219. Artakha on July 7th, 2011 12:25 am

    D: HOW DARE YOU KILL VASH THE STAMPEDE! Oh wait, he's invincible!

  220. meinmattias on July 7th, 2011 7:09 pm

    Well, excuse me, princess! Kiss me.

  221. WhiteDevilTSAB on July 8th, 2011 12:53 am

    Actually, you'd have to ask Ash for that since Red actually ages. When the manga started, he was 12. At the current point in the manga, he would be 19 since 7 years have passed within the universe of the manga.

  222. Shady Kitsune on July 8th, 2011 6:07 am

    Mah boi! You suffer from the Oak syndrome: can't tell boys and girls apart.

  223. mattbatcraz on July 8th, 2011 10:57 am

    Simple why the Manga was better, 4Kids.TV destroyed the cartoon after the 1st epasode

  224. mattbatcraz on July 8th, 2011 10:59 am

    Red.. since Ash's voice actor is female, and last I checked HE WAS FRICKING 12 STILL!

  225. MetaLion on July 11th, 2011 11:46 am

    Red have some of the toughest pokemons in kanto
    Ash cannot even evolve a frickin bulbasaur.

  226. Jade Catima on July 12th, 2011 3:03 pm

    It's because he can only remember four life lessons at a time.

  227. Ryven on July 12th, 2011 5:32 pm

    xD that is actually scarily accurate!

  228. Bioniclema90 on July 31st, 2011 4:45 pm

    OMG!! SO TRUE!

  229. dejime73 on August 3rd, 2011 11:43 am

    ok i get out

  230. dejime73 on August 3rd, 2011 12:10 pm

    red because he needs to find things like food and water to live and finding those would probably be hard to find
    ash doesnt need these,he just stand on his lazy ass and watch his pokemons fight for him

  231. KingStarscream on October 6th, 2011 10:10 am

    Ash -- almost always drawn to model in fan-art
    RED -- almost always drawn to look way cooler than he is.

    Yes, Ash stinks and probably will NEVER become a Pokemon master. But you know what he DID do?

    He defeated an omnicidal genetic experiment, prevented the world from falling into imbalance and being destroyed, befriended the progenitor of the entire pokemon species, traveled in time to meet his mentor as a kid, stopped an alien from being destroyed by a rampaging dragon, prevented an antimatter ghost from invading the mortal realm, learned how to use a power only Pokemon normally can, and helped the purported creator of the Pokemon world change his view on humans. At the very least Ash saw the world -- RED only ran around Kanto before climbing up a mountain and staying there for 3 years.

    Red is not this bad-ass Pokemon trainer that destroys villians for a hobby, he's a 10-year-old boy who loves playing with animals and got caught up in a mafia's scheme because he went through Mt. Moon at the wrong time. RED is Ash, but better at training and with less personality.

  232. Dere on October 7th, 2011 2:24 am

    That’s not Manga Red you bastard, he wears his cap backwards. Why is it that there are people who think “Pokémon Special!” whenever they see a character from the games?

  233. Red on October 7th, 2011 8:33 pm


  234. ZeikHunter on October 7th, 2011 10:10 pm

    Red, uh… doesn't speak in canon?

  235. Red on October 9th, 2011 12:23 am

    I lost my voice when they were recording dialogue for the games

  236. SonicsmyName on October 20th, 2011 3:38 am


    Mewtwo -- Darkrai actually.
    I think that specific instance was somewhat a homage to the first movie.

  237. Mike on December 30th, 2011 11:45 am

    That’s NOT Manga Red, you morons. Get your eyes checked, its the GAMES’ Red.

  238. Der on January 17th, 2012 2:01 pm



  239. ??PkMn DUDE?? on January 29th, 2012 4:17 am

    Red is much better because he didn't need help from Gym Leaders!!!LOL!!! plus they suck they couldn't take down team rocket throughout the whole anime series

  240. Nick on February 4th, 2012 2:34 pm

    because you touch yourself at night!!!

  241. Nick on February 4th, 2012 2:40 pm

    who's his mentor? who's the progenitor of the species. what does that even mean? who's the creator of pokemon? what alien did he prevent from being destroyed. who were all those people.

  242. Red on February 20th, 2012 5:26 pm

    Half of the "important" shit Ash did happened in movies and so it's not part of the actual canon storyline… wait, does the anime even have a storyline? O_O

    Every episode is just him walking into some shitty town, meeting some old dude and his son/daughter/grandson/granddaughter, and proceeds to beating up Team Shithead's giant retarded robot.

    ^ Every fucking episode in a nutshell ^

  243. Lost on February 22nd, 2012 10:02 am

    -.-… Ash = Red….. Red is Ash but in later years, Manga Red = Cartoon Ash its the same person just diffrent names, When you meet up with Red it's Ash but a more mature, stronger and quieter form. Blue = Gary in the game btw as well, get your story's straight before batching/praising the same person, seems kinda bipolar talking smack on the same person while worshiping him it the same time…

  244. RED on February 22nd, 2012 3:17 pm

    ……… …………… …………….. ………….

  245. Mehh on February 23rd, 2012 9:36 am

    Red is fucking awesome! Also a fun way to troll Pokemon fans is by telling them that Red and Ash are the same person. It really makes them RAGE!

  246. Jaqueline on February 23rd, 2012 10:01 pm

    also,didnt red also caught legendary pokémons? i remember him catchin’ articuno with his 6-pack. Ash cant do shit.

  247. GreenOak on March 5th, 2012 9:39 pm

    Wait wait wait, Red from the game or Red from Pokemon Adventures? Because in the Manga Red takes down Team Rocket with the help of Green and Blue. I am currently reading the manga now and I got to say, the characters are more lovable the action is better and pokemon and people actually die.

  248. Silver_Green_Yellow on March 9th, 2012 10:57 pm

    Not to mention he also got turned to stone…

  249. fred on March 26th, 2012 6:55 pm

    Ash: visits to morn dead pokemon
    Red: visits to fight dead pokemon

  250. Poliwag on March 31st, 2012 11:04 pm

    ^ obviously did not read the manga and is pulling facts out of ass
    ill make this really obvious for ppl to remember
    Ash's 1st pokemon: pikachu
    Red's 1st pokemon: poliwag

  251. Monsterhead on April 14th, 2012 1:13 pm

    Anyway,gold didn't capture EVERY SINGLE POKEMON. I don't remember him catching Arceus. Anyway,Red in GAME or MANGA can beat ash,So manga red's team:Venusaur,Poliwrath,Aerodactyl,Pikachu,Snorlax,and Espeon. and Game Red's team is Lapras,Charizard,Blastoise,Venusaur,Snorlax,and Pikachu. Where Ash's Best team is Charizard,Pikachu (even though it lost to a LVL 5 SNIVY!),snorlax,Sceptile,infernape,and Heracross. Red would actullay beat Ash.

  252. Tenzing on April 19th, 2012 1:23 am

    //your name fits you perfectly, cause you are Lost.

  253. Tenzing on April 19th, 2012 1:32 am

    Because half of the "important" things Ash did happened in movies and so it's not part of the actual canon story line.
    Also since Red is a player character (R/G/B/Y/FR/LG), he caught ALL pokemon from Gen 1 to Gen 3 (including legendaries), and since Red beat the Elite 4, who has way tougher pokemon than Team Aqua, Magma, and Galactic, beats the PKMN League and has Lvl 100 (since I remember people in youtube having lvl. 100 PKMN on their FR), oh and shiny and pokerus pokemon.
    Ash= Never beaten any PKMN LEAGUES nor the Elite 4 and cheats his way to get badges, and needed help to beat Team Magma, Aqua, and Galactic (or else w/o help he would lose), never caught a single legendary.

  254. SHUT UP on April 26th, 2012 9:46 am

    blablabla.. red is the leader of pokedex holder and also known as a fighter by prof oak..
    in manga he always not easy to give up.. for the correction.. red not only spend his time at mt silver.. he also help Gold fight with masked man in JOHTO.. only based on the game he just cannot say anything and sleep and eat at mt silver.. and only in the game GOLD can defeat RED… but… NOT IN MANGA..

  255. dean on May 1st, 2012 4:06 pm

    ash dont catch no lengendary's but i still like ask cause he catches alot of pokemon

  256. I gotta say on August 2nd, 2012 7:31 pm

    It’s Ash for me.

    The way ppl switch from game red to manga is kinda bogus. If so why not switch from Ash in the anime to HIS counterparts aswell? I mean yeah Ash’s character is still 10 he’s only one the orange league and battle frontier. But let’s remember here that’s the creator’s fault. Plus counting the movies (which are canon) Ash is pretty badass in his own right. It’s just the creators don’t have the sense to have any development for him.

    No offense to those that prefer Red manga or game, I respect your opinion.

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